Comments on: Why Personal Development Does Not Help Us Overcome Depression http://frayingedges.com/2008/06/why-personal-development-does-not-help-us-overcome-depression/ Overcoming depression in a stress filled world Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:41:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Peter Holland http://frayingedges.com/2008/06/why-personal-development-does-not-help-us-overcome-depression/#comment-8472 Peter Holland Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:10:39 +0000 http://frayingedges.com/?p=31#comment-8472 I would agree, personal development is unlikely to cure depression, but as you observe for people who have overcome this dreadful curse access to very positive people & influences can be a wonderful experience. With the web now access to wonderful learning and roll models has never been easier. Has there ever been a better time for self enrichment on whatever level? I would agree, personal development is unlikely to cure depression, but as you observe for people who have overcome this dreadful curse access to very positive people & influences can be a wonderful experience.

With the web now access to wonderful learning and roll models has never been easier.

Has there ever been a better time for self enrichment on whatever level?

]]> By: zania http://frayingedges.com/2008/06/why-personal-development-does-not-help-us-overcome-depression/#comment-591 zania Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:21:11 +0000 http://frayingedges.com/?p=31#comment-591 Sherma, Thank you so much for commenting here. You put into words very well the things those who have never experienced major depression and anxiety will never even begin to understand. I could not add to that even if I tried, because the pain you express speaks volumes. That post I made was a rather 'angry' post, as I had just read another 'you can do it' type 'self-help' blog and was feeling pretty low. I just wanted to shout at the writer "for chrisake, you do not have a *** **** clue!" But there would have been no point. I would have been shouting at ears which do not want to hear. Your response here makes me feel that way again. I wish I could help make the pain go away for you, but of course, I can't. All I can say is, I have felt what you are feeling right now and it is the most frightening, all-consuming feeling. Even the thought of going there again (which I just know I will) fills me with renewed dread. And all I can add to that is that I (like you on previous occasions) have been through this and come out the other side, and I guess that's some kind of 'hope', but right now, I know those are very shallow words to hear (as, I also guess, are my closing words). Do take care Sherma, and thank you so much for commenting here. I really do mean that. Zania Sherma,
Thank you so much for commenting here.
You put into words very well the things those who have never experienced major depression and anxiety will never even begin to understand.
I could not add to that even if I tried, because the pain you express speaks volumes.

That post I made was a rather ‘angry’ post, as I had just read another ‘you can do it’ type ’self-help’ blog and was feeling pretty low. I just wanted to shout at the writer “for chrisake, you do not have a *** **** clue!” But there would have been no point. I would have been shouting at ears which do not want to hear.

Your response here makes me feel that way again. I wish I could help make the pain go away for you, but of course, I can’t.

All I can say is, I have felt what you are feeling right now and it is the most frightening, all-consuming feeling. Even the thought of going there again (which I just know I will) fills me with renewed dread. And all I can add to that is that I (like you on previous occasions) have been through this and come out the other side, and I guess that’s some kind of ‘hope’, but right now, I know those are very shallow words to hear (as, I also guess, are my closing words).

Do take care Sherma, and thank you so much for commenting here.
I really do mean that.
Zania

]]> By: Sherma http://frayingedges.com/2008/06/why-personal-development-does-not-help-us-overcome-depression/#comment-586 Sherma Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:51:29 +0000 http://frayingedges.com/?p=31#comment-586 I agree. I may not have at one time, but I certainly do now. The problem is that I bought into the whole " self improvement" notion to the point that I went to college and studdied psychology. I assumed that quelling the aches that I was feeling would be accomplished if I just acheived and pulled myself out of the pain. College proved to be an easy means, an out, so to speak, a temporary delusion of hope. The problems arise when the added expectation of succuss falls through. When after you acheive, get a job in your profession, and fail due to depression, this makes you loathe yourself even more. I know that the feelings we experience are unfathomable to some, but they are there, like it or not. Do they think that we want or could control how we feel? God only knows, If I could control this somehow, I would in an instant. To try to describe the visceral pain would be like telling someone to immagine the worst day of your life times 5 and add the most terrifying experience you have ever endured and have to endure it every day for hours of the day except for sleep. Think back to a time when you did something wrong and didn't want your parents to find out about it, like getting a bad grade ( mind you I am 36 and do remember what that was like) add all of this together and you still have just scraped the surface of the pain that Major Depression and Anxiety can cause an individual.There is no focus on something else and you cant just "pull out of it" no matter what you tell yourself. I have tried denial and hiding the depression and anxiety, for the sake of my carreer, my family, my namesake that I worked so hard to get untill it bubbled over and now, it is to the point that my lack of concentration, locked muscles, dry mouth, pounding heart and overwhelming sadness, dred and uncontrolable crying have caused me to have to go on a leave of absence from work. From what I have gathered, it could take more time than my job will allow to get through this, so now, I have to add the pressure of being terminated or having to quit before this occurs. By god, If I could make this go away I would in an instant. If I could make the pain dissapear by myself I would walk across fire. This pain is more consuming than most physical pains I have ever experienced and it is unrelenting. I agree. I may not have at one time, but I certainly do now. The problem is that I bought into the whole ” self improvement” notion to the point that I went to college and studdied psychology. I assumed that quelling the aches that I was feeling would be accomplished if I just acheived and pulled myself out of the pain. College proved to be an easy means, an out, so to speak, a temporary delusion of hope. The problems arise when the added expectation of succuss falls through. When after you acheive, get a job in your profession, and fail due to depression, this makes you loathe yourself even more. I know that the feelings we experience are unfathomable to some, but they are there, like it or not. Do they think that we want or could control how we feel? God only knows, If I could control this somehow, I would in an instant. To try to describe the visceral pain would be like telling someone to immagine the worst day of your life times 5 and add the most terrifying experience you have ever endured and have to endure it every day for hours of the day except for sleep. Think back to a time when you did something wrong and didn’t want your parents to find out about it, like getting a bad grade ( mind you I am 36 and do remember what that was like) add all of this together and you still have just scraped the surface of the pain that Major Depression and Anxiety can cause an individual.There is no focus on something else and you cant just “pull out of it” no matter what you tell yourself. I have tried denial and hiding the depression and anxiety, for the sake of my carreer, my family, my namesake that I worked so hard to get untill it bubbled over and now, it is to the point that my lack of concentration, locked muscles, dry mouth, pounding heart and overwhelming sadness, dred and uncontrolable crying have caused me to have to go on a leave of absence from work. From what I have gathered, it could take more time than my job will allow to get through this, so now, I have to add the pressure of being terminated or having to quit before this occurs. By god, If I could make this go away I would in an instant. If I could make the pain dissapear by myself I would walk across fire. This pain is more consuming than most physical pains I have ever experienced and it is unrelenting.

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